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Eloquence with NVDA. New driver for PeNVDA. #187
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Attachment PeNVDA_eloq.zip added by GianBrix on 2008-10-01 19:40 |
Comment 1 by jteh on 2008-10-01 23:00 Some quick code critique:
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Comment 2 by GianBrix (in reply to comment 1) on 2008-10-02 13:17
Marco Gregnanin scrive:Dear James, let me tell you some details of eloquence license agreement, just to make my position clear.
Thus, to write a legal driver and/or software you should meet requirements 1 and 2. Otherwise you will be persecuted by law because, as we know, eloquence ITEX has to guarantee the correct handling of the RunTime licenses, one fee per user, as stated in the license agreement. The only way to do this, especially Should you need further information, feel free to contact me. I am happy to cooperate with you since we both believe in honesty and legality. |
Comment 3 by jteh on 2008-10-02 22:29 As far as I know, this is different to Audiologic. I don't know of any separate library that was written for Audiologic to protect its main SDK. As I understand it, if the user owns Audiologic, they can use it with the NVDA driver, which means it is only bound to the synth, not to a specific distribution of that synth. Perhaps the Audiologic license is less restrictive. The point here is that someone cannot simply purchase your version of the Eloquence synth separately without buying PeNVDA, which is a bundled product. Let me emphasise again that I am not criticising the way you have done things - it is necessary to ensure that legal obligations are being met. I am simply noting that I don't believe there is much point in including the driver if it can only be used with a bundled product in which it is already included anyway. I'm still open to discussion on this, but this is where I currently stand. |
Comment 4 by jteh on 2008-10-02 23:02 I realise that this is IBMTTS and not Eloquence. IBM acquired some of Eloquence's technology and incorporated it into IBMTTS (then known as !ViaVoice). So is the license for IBMTTS less restrictive than the license for Eloquence, even though IBMTTS is based on Eloquence and uses the same API? Alternatively, is the license less restrictive under Linux for some reason? The IBMTTS Linux license doesn't seem to require that an SDK be purchased to use it, only that the user own the synth runtime. |
Comment 5 by m.gregnanin on 2008-10-10 13:38 unfortunately some persons posted tricks and hacks regarding the use of ETI Eloquence. I am sure that the NVDA Team took all reasonable efforts to stop Piracy. Still, I have been asked to publish this letter from the Italian distributor of Eloquence for licensing purposes (please excuse my bad translation, smile). Sirs, I have read in various mailing lists that the ETI Eloquence Synthesis, property of Nuance International BVBA, is used by some integrators without the regular License Agreement and thus without the right of using this technology for commercial or divulgation purposes. Furthermore, I read that the ETI Eloquence is used by end users in combination with third parties applications for which no right of usage is granted by the producer. At the present moment only two companies (in Italy), Cavazza 2000 and ITEX di Marco Gregnanin, are authorized to integrate ETI Eloquence. As the legal representative of Byteway Srl, distributor of the above mentioned technologies, it is my right and duty to inform that, the persons that do an indiscriminate use of this vocal synthesis are breaking the laws against software piracy. Thus, I kindly advise to all integrators and end-users to settle their position with respect to the right of using ETI Eloquence as soon as possible. Byteway will be happy to provide further information, license agreements and prices. Otherwise, as stated with Nuance's legal office, legal measures will be adopted to defend the interest of the producer and the distributor. Highest Regards, Donato Savino, CEO Byteway Srl |
Comment 6 by m.gregnanin on 2008-10-10 13:45 as you proposed, I will be happy to sell a "license only" version of the PenVDA, that can be installed on any U3 compatible pen or on any folder of your Hard Disk. Give me some time to understand how this can be done without breaking any law, smile. Bye, Marco |
Comment 7 by jteh (in reply to comment 6) on 2008-10-10 13:55
This still isn't selling the synth separately; it is still a bundled product, albeit without the hardware. Thus, I don't see any reason to include the driver in the main NVDA distribution. Let me emphasise this again: we're quite happy for you to distribute this driver separately as long as people can obtain the source code if they want it. I just don't know that there is much point including a driver for a synth which only comes with a bundled product when the bundled product includes the driver already. Also, do you have any comments with regard to the IBMTTS/TTSynth information in my previous comment? It seems to me that the Eloquence license is much more restrictive and painful than the IBMTTS license. |
Comment 8 by m.gregnanin (in reply to comment 7) on 2008-10-15 10:46
I had already asked Nuance and Mr. Savino about the IBMTTS/TTSynth after your first email. They asked for further time to investigate the situation. I will keep you posted as soon as I get official and legal information. |
Comment 9 by pvagner (in reply to comment 8) on 2008-10-15 11:34
I guess this is an appmodule. If you or anyone else has created it and is willing to distribute it open-source then I am sure we can include it. Please create a seperate ticket with an attachment or post it to one of us by email if it's ready for the inclusion. |
Comment 10 by jteh on 2008-11-26 11:48 |
Comment 11 by RamboUdin on 2010-11-20 14:47 THANKS |
Comment 12 by jteh on 2010-11-20 23:22 |
Reported by GianBrix on 2008-10-01 19:29
Hi,
I wish to announce you that I realized the open source part of the new driver developed from Itex (an Italian firm) that lets you use the known eloquence with NVDA in an u3 key or even in other media keeping this key connected in an usb.
PeNVDA is a commercial product and you can order or find news by
Computer Solutions Inc. http://www.specialneedscomputers.ca
or by our italian site of Nvda's comunity:
www.nvda.it.
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